Shuki Aharonovich | Tachles: What's the Difference Between a Feature Factory and an Empowered PM? - Product Builder Podcast episode with Eyal David
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Shuki Aharonovich | Tachles: What's the Difference Between a Feature Factory and an Empowered PM?

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According to Shuki Aharonovich (Augury), the difference between a feature factory and an empowered PM comes down to who decides what gets built and why. In a feature factory the product manager is a "work contractor" who gets cell 13 in the projects spreadsheet, implements it and moves on to row 14. An empowered PM gets up in the morning, talks to customers, identifies problems, and builds the roadmap and solutions together with the team, with more initiative, more ownership and more closeness to the customer and the problem, as Marty Cagan describes.

In this episode

  • In a feature factory the PM is a work contractor: a committee sets the roadmap, the PM gets cell 13 in the spreadsheet, implements it, never looks back and moves on to row 14.
  • The cost of working this way is that you don't always understand why you're building what you're building, so it's hard to get the team to follow you.
  • An empowered PM gets up in the morning, talks to customers, identifies problems, and builds the roadmap and solutions with the team: more initiative, more ownership, more closeness to the customer and the problem.
  • Instead of endless clashes between the R&D guild and the product guild, the goal is a feeling that everyone is here to build together.
  • Marty Cagan's book gave Shuki the vocabulary to describe how he wanted to work: to have an impact, to initiate and to solve real problems of real customers.

Episode Description

A short clip from the full conversation with Shuki Aharonovich, Group Product Manager at Augury. Shuki describes the frustration of product management as a "work contractor" executing rows in a projects spreadsheet without understanding why, and the moment, on a walk in Yarkon Park, when Marty Cagan's book gave him the vocabulary for how he wanted to work: initiating, solving real problems of real customers, and rallying a team that's all here to build.

Chapters

  1. 0:00 · The PM as a work contractor: cell 13 in the spreadsheet
  2. 1:20 · Marty Cagan and tears in Yarkon Park
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Selected quotes

“product management was, was kind of a work contractor.”
— Shuki Aharonovich
“And you show up as a product manager and you get cell number 13 in the projects Excel, and you go and you implement it and you build it, and then you finish it and you never look back at it, and you go and move on to row number 14 in the projects Excel.”
— Shuki Aharonovich
“No, you're here to build, I'm here to build, follow me. All of us together.”
— Shuki Aharonovich

Questions & answers

What's the difference between a feature factory and an empowered PM?

In a feature factory a committee decides what gets done, and the product manager takes a project from the spreadsheet, implements it and moves on to the next one. An empowered PM talks to customers, identifies problems, and builds the roadmap and solutions together with the team, with more initiative and more ownership.

Why is product management as a "work contractor" so frustrating?

Because you don't always understand why you're building what you're building, it's hard to get the team behind you, and the project may not be needed at all, or may not be the right way to do it.

What made Shuki change the way he works?

Gil Hirsch's podcast pushed him to start researching, and Marty Cagan's book, which he listened to on a walk in Yarkon Park, gave him the vocabulary to describe how he wanted to work.

People & resources mentioned

People

  • Marty Cagan
  • Gil Hirsch

Companies & orgs

  • Augury
  • Pioneer

Books & media

  • Empowered — Marty Cagan
Tachles episode Product management Empowered PM Feature factory Marty Cagan Ownership Augury Roadmap